The Ryzen 9000 Series, AMD’s next generation of desktop processors and some of the first to boast the company’s new Zen 5 cores, may launch as early as August this year alongside the company’s “Strix” Zen 5 APUs, with product availability arriving a few months later, in October, suggests new statements shared by AOOSTAR, a mini PC manufacturer. Intel, which plans to compete with CPUs that include Arrow Lake-S, is expected to launch its own products in a similar time frame, in September 2024.
The news from AOOSTAR, per @harukaze5719:
Zen 5 launch in August? pic.twitter.com/NwPHxjt68A
— 포시포시 (@harukaze5719) May 27, 2024
From a report:
…the Mini PC manufacturer is likely referring to the AMD Strix “Zen 5” APUs as they make Mini PCs based on mobile chips and not desktop SKUs. With that said, we can expect the next-gen Ryzen Desktop CPUs featuring Zen 5 core architecture to arrive on AM5 socket platforms around the same time.
Discussion (18 replies)
Join Discussion →AM5 huh? At least AMD is getting more than 1 generation of cpu's out of their sockets.
Intel did pretty good this go around with the 12th and 13th gen. I'm not really counting the 14th gen as it was basically a refresh.
Have we heard anything about updated chipsets yet?
I'm eager to find out if I can finally build another consumer system that allows me to use both a 16x slot and an 8x slot at full speed at the same time.
The 8x slot would obviously need to come through the chipset, but if the up the chipset to Gen5, there should be enough bandwidth to accomplish this... Especially if the 8x slot doesn't need to be faster than Gen3 (which it doesn't)
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Not a ton is known about the specifics that you care about on X870E - looking like it'll be a Sept/Oct release on the boards as none of the board makers I talked to at Computex had a firm date for them as they're waiting on the green flag from AMD (though, many were on display). Overall, the consensus was "meh, it adds Thunderbolt/USB4 and some faster memory capabilities along with higher cost". AMD's chipset page supports that "meh" where it seems the PCIe connectivity is no different than X670E - https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/chipsets/am5.html#chipsets
Being able to more reliably run all four memory slots at max speed would be nice. I right now am targeting a high end amd cpu on a mid tier mobo with max ram hopefully at a decent mt rating with xmp enabled.
This report suggests that 40GBPS USB4 will be mandated, which is absolutely useless. I can't think of anyhting at all I would ever use that for...
....unless there are any USB4 to PCIe slot adapters that work well.
Some googling suggests a company named ADT Link reportedly has announced one. Who knows if it is actually obtainable.
The specs are ambiguous as to how many actual lanes it has, and what gen they present themselves as. It both losts a max speed of 40Gbps (obviously) and Gen3x2. But Two lanes of Gen3 would only be ~16Gbps, so who knows. I bet one could loop the USB4 cable back into the case and bolt this to the motherboard tray next to the motherboard for an extra slot...
Price is $129. Maybe a little steep, but I'd pay that if it actually does what I need it to.
PCIe over USB seems a bit ghetto and unreliable, but it may just be better than nothing.
Edit: Actually,. never mind. This chart kills it. Nothing above 4x...
You say that now. But you could easily do a nice high res VR headset, another external monitor. Docking stations that can actually support multiple 4k displays at >60hz refresh. 5 or 10 gig network as well. Multiple USB 3 and Type C connectors with near full fat connection speeds... amongst other things.
External storage.
DAC for audio processing.
Video capture cards, or high res camera/audio setups.
Mostly useful for laptops and such. Some actual high speed storage on an external drive.
If you want to get really wild a external bootable drive. Work during the day. Get home plug in the game drive boot and play games with corporate none the wiser. :)
And the list go's on.
Fair enough.
I'm not really into anything mobile. I tend to see mobile devices as low performance compromises I just use for things like email when I need to on the go. I don't do anything real on them.
But they are making this mandatory for the X870E chipset which is a Desktop chipset....
For almost everything on this list I would prefer something else. For video out I'd insist on an actual video out connector (DP or HDMI). I don't understand why I would ever want to use USB for a display. USB should stay in its lane. When something tries to do everything, it is a compromise at everything. I'd rather have dedicated standards that are best in class.
I barely use external storage at all anymore, and haven't for years, except for the NAS with is over Ethernet.
Everything else you mention (except audio) is probably best done on an internal PCIe card (but you can't get the slots on a motherboard or buy expansion cards for many of these things because everything is going to dumb USB. It's kind of infuriating.
For Audio - however - you don't really need anything above USB2.
The way tech is going just makes me increasingly disappointed year after year.
I don't want some mobile consumer device bullshit with everything either on board or via USB.
I want a proper desktop with more PCIe slots than you can shake a stick at, and a large variety of PCIe cards to choose from to insert into those slots. Everything should be PCIe. Almost nothing except peripherals (Keyboard, Mouse) and audio should be USB.
...and anything more than just basic laptops should go die in a fire.
If I cant build it, maintain it, and upgrade it myself then it shouldn't exist. The transformation of absolutely everything in tech into disposable consumer devices with "no user serviceable parts inside" makes me some combination of enraged, disappointed and sad at the same time.
This industry needs to rewind the clock by about 20 years and have a do-over because what we have right now and the direction we are going in is just stupid.
I don't disagree sadly it's the reality we live in.
So, this is mostly due to there being a cheap 'USB4' controller available, versus the previous relatively expensive (probably because old, thus higher power / larger node) Intel controller that was used to implement TB4 / USB4 on the 600-series and all Intel boards with it up until this point.
I transfer large files and large amounts of data to and from flash drives frequently enough. USB3 was a godsend for that. USB4 will be all the more appreciated. The USB4 spec was done long ago, it's about time motherboard chipsets start coming with that sh1t built in. I also have use-cases for portable SSDs. Should the USB standard not continue to advance just because you yourself see no need for faster speeds? Maybe we should all still be on USB 1.1 or 2.0 then.
Gawd, I used to remember what it was like transferring a ton of sh1t over USB 1.1 and 2.0. I hope to never see those days again. Still, using USB 1.1 to grab pics from a digital camera was waaaay faster than using the memory-card-to-floppy-drive adapter I had.
Completely agree.
Yupz, that's how I'd like things to be too.
Honestly to me, ALL laptops are crap just because we can't build them from scratch with our own choice of parts for each and every component, cuz they are not easily maintained or repaired, and cuz they can't be easily upgraded (if they can even be upgraded at all).
Same here.
Check these guys out then https://frame.work/be/en/about
May still be work in progress but they seem to be on the right track, Linus from LTT is a small shareholder, that's where I heard of these guys.
Yupz, I know all about them. If I could afford their 16-incher I would have bought one already. Heard they were having some issues with those, but the smaller model has been around a long time, and does well, from what I hear.
Huh, didn't know that. That makes me less interested, but so far this company is the best laptop company I've seen in my life.
I either first heard about this company from my brother, or I first heard about it on . Or maybe Phoronix.
Yeah, I've been keeping an eye on them.
If I ever need to replace the trusty old Latitude E6540, Framework is one of the primary candidates.
One of the few things I don't like about them right now is that they use the same bad keyboard design as all other modern laptops.
I absolutely refuse to buy anything with one of those flat chiclet/island keyboards. That's the primary reason I am still clutching my decade old Dell Latitudes.
I totally remember dealing with slow USB storage. Heck, even into the early USB3 era, most USB storage devices couldn't quite make it past 20MB/s
If that is part of your use case, it makes sense to want it to be faster.
Personally I haven't really used USB storage to do anything but install a new OS in a very very long time. Once I have the OS installed I'm pretty much doing all storage transactions to the NAS from there on out. (That's where the 40Gbit NIC comes in :p )