The Ryzen 9000 Series, a new family of desktop processors that AMD launched last month to deliver greater performance to gamers, content creators, and prosumers via its new “Zen 5” architecture, has turned out to be a major flop for red team, according to some of the latest thoughts shared by hardware reviewers. One outlet, which claims “no one” is buying Zen 5 CPUs, has brought up pricing as being one of the bigger problems, with the older Zen 4 models said to deliver similar performance for a cheaper price.
One reviewer said:
- “The 7950X has been avaialble for no more than $550 for most of the last six months, and at $500 right now, it just doesn’t make sense to spend 25% more on the 9950X.”
- “The 7900X is currently over $100 cheaper than the 9900X, and has been $400 or less since the start of the year, lower than the 9900X’s $450 MSRP.”
- “Eight-core models, like the 7700X, have been about $280 to $300 for months now, so the 20% premium to get the Zen 5 version is impossible to justify.”
- “…and there’s just no way you consider paying $280 for a Ryzen 5 9600X when the Ryzen 7 7600 is $180, and is regularly available for $200 or less since the start of the year.”
- “Until Zen 5 and Zen 4 reach price parity…I just don’t see how these CPUs sell in significant numbers.”
The full word from Hardware Unboxed:
AMD on its latest desktop CPUs:
For avid gamers seeking the ultimate competitive edge, AMD Ryzen 9000 Series desktop processors deliver unrivaled performance, enabling smooth gameplay and high frame rates across a wide range of titles, from AAA blockbusters to esports favorites. Moreover, professional content creators can now harness the full potential of their creative workflows with AMD Ryzen 9000 Series desktop processors. From 3D modeling and design to animation and product visualization, these processors offer exceptional single-threaded and multi-threaded performance, enabling users to design, render, and iterate faster than ever before. Put simply, the flagship Ryzen 9 9950X CPU is the fastest consumer desktop processor.
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Maybe demand will pick up a little once the new motherboards arrive?
Amazon has been flash sale-ing 7000 series CPUs for a few weeks now. The 7950x drops as low as $401 for a few hours at a time, the 7700x down to $210, 7950x3d to $450.
"Denpepe, post: 89233, member: 284" wrote:Maybe demand will pick up a little once the new motherboards arrive?
That's not going to change performance in a material manner. When 7000 series sells though, 9000 will stop in price some and sales will pick up. Windows 11 24H2 will also help with making a performance difference but it's not out yet.
My prediction on the new boards is they will likely be panned for being too expensive due to the Thunderbolt 4 additional costs...
"David_Schroth, post: 89238, member: 1" wrote:That's not going to change performance in a material manner.
True, but they will work out of the box, no need for bios flashing, not sure how many mobo's these days alow flashing without chip, but to me anyways it's a worry.
"David_Schroth, post: 89238, member: 1" wrote:My prediction on the new boards is they will likely be panned for being too expensive due to the Thunderbolt 4 additional costs...
Do we know if the bulk of these are still using the Intel chipset, or if the new Realtek chipset is seeing wider adoption?
I want a new chipset with all the features I can reasonably afford. So I'm willing to wait. Plus I kind of want the 9950x3d.
Really no reason to jump on these unless you're going with a brand new build, and if it's a gaming build the 7800X3D would still be the better choice. A lot of people are waiting for those new X3D chips to drop I'm sure.
The worst thing about the 9000 series is the 7000x3d series.
"Stoly, post: 89253, member: 1474" wrote:The worst thing about the 9000 series is the 7000x3d series.
For my use case especially if they fix the issue with ccd assignment and such... the 9950x3d gives me the best of both worlds I want. I've enjoyed my 5900x don't get me wrong. Just want more oomph.
"Denpepe, post: 89233, member: 284" wrote:Maybe demand will pick up a little once the new motherboards arrive?
I am thinking the same. I would want an 870e board. Not currently in the budget.
"Grimlakin, post: 89254, member: 215" wrote:For my use case especially if they fix the issue with ccd assignment and such... the 9950x3d gives me the best of both worlds I want. I've enjoyed my 5900x don't get me wrong. Just want more oomph.
Same here. The 5950 normally just crunches distributed computing, but I game on it every now and then. A 9950x3d really would be the best of both worlds and a decent upgrade to boot.
Has the 9950x3d been announced yet? I've just read about the 9950.
I've been very happy with my 7950x3d and a friend has the 7950 non x3d who has been happy with his system too. Not that I push my system much, I dont. 4k Gaming is it for working hard.
I think the problem right now is that the 5800X3D, and some other 5000 series SKUs, got the ball rolling with an AM4 revival among those on a tight budget. Next up came the 7000 series, and its X3D SKUs which also had good success with both new customers and those upgrading from much older AM4 builds. Between the two the market for those who'll buy AMD products was pretty much saturated. Nothing really wrong with the current 9000 series but for any of the above there's literally no reason to upgrade and the demand just isn't there yet. Factor in the sales that @David_Schroth mentioned and we're seeing the usual attempt to empty out older inventory which again lessens the incentive to buy the new 9000 series, for now.
Nope, no news on the 9000 series X3D, yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if we start hearing things before the holidays. A lot can happen at CES 2025 as well.
Lol! Prepping a story right now that might see some turn around for this situation.
"Peter_Brosdahl, post: 89273, member: 87" wrote:I think the problem right now is that the 5800X3D, and some other 5000 series SKUs, got the ball rolling with an AM4 revival among those on a tight budget. Next up came the 7000 series, and its X3D SKUs which also had good success with both new customers and those upgrading from much older AM4 builds. Between the two the market for those who'll buy AMD products was pretty much saturated. Nothing really wrong with the current 9000 series but for any of the above there's literally no reason to upgrade and the demand just isn't there yet. Factor in the sales that @David_Schroth mentioned and we're seeing the usual attempt to empty out older inventory which again lessens the incentive to buy the new 9000 series, for now.
Nope, no news on the 9000 series X3D, yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if we start hearing things before the holidays. A lot can happen at CES 2025 as well.
The 5000x3d series on AM4 is actually pretty solid price to perf wise. The 5700x3d is $200 and you can drop it in many old AM4 motherboards. Sold a buddy my old 2700X + x470MB + 32GB ram for a song, and he flashed the bios and dropped in a 5700x3d. a 4tb Samsung 990pro. and a 4060. Hard to beat that setup for the price.
Is this surprising? You can find smokin deals on 5000X3D's and 7000X3D's which are beating the 9000 series in gaming.
It's a "wait and see" thing on the 9000X3D's. But for what they are asking for 9000 series CPU's now, and how expensive the new chipset mobo's are, it doesn't make sense.
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Join Discussion →Maybe demand will pick up a little once the new motherboards arrive?
Amazon has been flash sale-ing 7000 series CPUs for a few weeks now. The 7950x drops as low as $401 for a few hours at a time, the 7700x down to $210, 7950x3d to $450.
That's not going to change performance in a material manner. When 7000 series sells though, 9000 will stop in price some and sales will pick up. Windows 11 24H2 will also help with making a performance difference but it's not out yet.
My prediction on the new boards is they will likely be panned for being too expensive due to the Thunderbolt 4 additional costs...
True, but they will work out of the box, no need for bios flashing, not sure how many mobo's these days alow flashing without chip, but to me anyways it's a worry.
Do we know if the bulk of these are still using the Intel chipset, or if the new Realtek chipset is seeing wider adoption?
I want a new chipset with all the features I can reasonably afford. So I'm willing to wait. Plus I kind of want the 9950x3d.
Really no reason to jump on these unless you're going with a brand new build, and if it's a gaming build the 7800X3D would still be the better choice. A lot of people are waiting for those new X3D chips to drop I'm sure.
The worst thing about the 9000 series is the 7000x3d series.
For my use case especially if they fix the issue with ccd assignment and such... the 9950x3d gives me the best of both worlds I want. I've enjoyed my 5900x don't get me wrong. Just want more oomph.
I am thinking the same. I would want an 870e board. Not currently in the budget.
Same here. The 5950 normally just crunches distributed computing, but I game on it every now and then. A 9950x3d really would be the best of both worlds and a decent upgrade to boot.
Has the 9950x3d been announced yet? I've just read about the 9950.
I've been very happy with my 7950x3d and a friend has the 7950 non x3d who has been happy with his system too. Not that I push my system much, I dont. 4k Gaming is it for working hard.
I think the problem right now is that the 5800X3D, and some other 5000 series SKUs, got the ball rolling with an AM4 revival among those on a tight budget. Next up came the 7000 series, and its X3D SKUs which also had good success with both new customers and those upgrading from much older AM4 builds. Between the two the market for those who'll buy AMD products was pretty much saturated. Nothing really wrong with the current 9000 series but for any of the above there's literally no reason to upgrade and the demand just isn't there yet. Factor in the sales that @David_Schroth mentioned and we're seeing the usual attempt to empty out older inventory which again lessens the incentive to buy the new 9000 series, for now.
Nope, no news on the 9000 series X3D, yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if we start hearing things before the holidays. A lot can happen at CES 2025 as well.
Lol! Prepping a story right now that might see some turn around for this situation.
The 5000x3d series on AM4 is actually pretty solid price to perf wise. The 5700x3d is $200 and you can drop it in many old AM4 motherboards. Sold a buddy my old 2700X + x470MB + 32GB ram for a song, and he flashed the bios and dropped in a 5700x3d. a 4tb Samsung 990pro. and a 4060. Hard to beat that setup for the price.
Is this surprising? You can find smokin deals on 5000X3D's and 7000X3D's which are beating the 9000 series in gaming.
It's a "wait and see" thing on the 9000X3D's. But for what they are asking for 9000 series CPU's now, and how expensive the new chipset mobo's are, it doesn't make sense.