Many would say that the storage capacities of modern-day HDDs are already impressive, with some models going up to 32 TB, but data hoarders can expect even higher capacities in the years ahead, according to a new report from the IEEE (Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) that suggests 50 TB HDDs should be available in just a few short years—by 2026–2027. The IEEE shared the projection as part of a recent roadmap relating to the development of storage technology, one that includes other future developments, including higher capacity NAND flash with higher layer counts and more bits per cell. A roadmap for HDDs that extend to 2037 (up to 100 TB) can be found below.
Seagate Technology began shipping 30+TB HAMR HDDs for data center evaluation and qualification starting in 2022 and is shipping these products in volume in the second half of 2024.3 Toshiba also announced that it will ship 30+TB HAMR and microwave-assisted magnetic recording HDDs by 2025.5 By 2026–2027, 50+TB HDDs will be possible using EAMR.
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I'm kinda surprised they are still putting any R&D into spinners, when it's almost trivial (but not cheap, yet anyway) to just stack NAND ram and make an SSD any size you want.
cost per TB for cold storage is very much a concern of enterprise, both for backups and legal compliance. Magnetic tape for offsite backups is already at 50TB uncompressed and might even be higher at this point
I admit I do use spinners for cold storage.. but then I read this and now I'm wondering...
[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/twenty-percent-of-hard-drives-used-for-long-term-music-storage-in-the-90s-have-failed#:~:text=Hard%20drives%20from%20the%20last%2020%20years%20are%20now%20slowly%20dying.&text=About%20a%20fifth%20of%20the,data%20backup%2C%20and%20data%20recovery.[/URL]
These monsters aren't designed with home use in mind, they are aimed at enterprise / datacenter / cloud. For SANs, density is king. And they all throw a ton of SSD at the top of the stack for cache. Eventually the tech will trickle down to consumer level if there is any demand for it. But really, who needs these for home? I have a 18tb mini array in my home "server" and I have a TON of stuff and it's not half full. OTOH if streaming wasn't a thing and we were still throwing physical media around all the time, there could be an argument for ripping and home streaming.
"Endgame, post: 90225, member: 1041" wrote:cost per TB for cold storage is very much a concern of enterprise, both for backups and legal compliance. Magnetic tape for offsite backups is already at 50TB uncompressed and might even be higher at this point
yep.
LTO9 is 19tb uncompressed and 45tb compresses. IBM has a drive that will do around 50 / 150. Tape is still very much a thing for archival.
Tape honestly is the safest immutable backup solution out there.
SSD/NAND storage suffers from data corruption if left too long. Without NAND maintenance running you run the risk of your data just... going corrupt. So no power storage isn't a thing for them. Maintaining petabytes of cold storage on nand is a no go. HDD's a little better. Tape even better but even it after 10+ years becomes questionable.
High density, high capacity, low usage storage. If you're going to keep a metric ton of data, that's still accessible, for years there's no better way.
At least we replace our spinners every 4-5 years. It's low cost and justifiable, relative to everything else.
"Burticus, post: 90139, member: 297" wrote:Yeah my buddy and his roommate hosted every now and then like 20 years ago. We would always pop the breakers during heated fragging.... we each started bringing super long yardwork extension cords to plug into outlets in different parts of the house to spread the load out. Power and ethernet cables everywhere, portable tables anywhere you could find room. The occasional girlfriend or 2 in the living room watching anime or horror movies making fun of us. They were on a first name basis with the Papa Johns guy. So much Bawls and other energy drinks.
Enemy territory was always popular bc it was free.... Red Alert, Total Annihilation, Jedi Academy, Quake 3 always popular, Unreal Tournament....
And no one even blinked an eye at hauling their giant full tower PCs and CRT monitors around.
Sadly we lost him to cancer a while back, and the roommate got married. End of an era.
Typing that made me sad :(
"Burticus, post: 90253, member: 297" wrote:These monsters aren't designed with home use in mind, they are aimed at enterprise / datacenter / cloud. For SANs, density is king. And they all throw a ton of SSD at the top of the stack for cache. Eventually the tech will trickle down to consumer level if there is any demand for it. But really, who needs these for home? I have a 18tb mini array in my home "server" and I have a TON of stuff and it's not half full. OTOH if streaming wasn't a thing and we were still throwing physical media around all the time, there could be an argument for ripping and home streaming.
I got a pair of 12TB drives that are both over 95% capacity and I've limited my use on them recently until I get more storage.
"Brian_B, post: 90242, member: 96" wrote:I admit I do use spinners for cold storage.. but then I read this and now I'm wondering...
[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/twenty-percent-of-hard-drives-used-for-long-term-music-storage-in-the-90s-have-failed#:~:text=Hard%20drives%20from%20the%20last%2020%20years%20are%20now%20slowly%20dying.&text=About%20a%20fifth%20of%20the,data%20backup%2C%20and%20data%20recovery.[/URL]
Well I've been only using HDDs as cold storage since 2011, but so far haven't had any failures outside of the drives that already failed while filling.
Still every HDD has a backup copy.
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Join Discussion →I'm kinda surprised they are still putting any R&D into spinners, when it's almost trivial (but not cheap, yet anyway) to just stack NAND ram and make an SSD any size you want.
cost per TB for cold storage is very much a concern of enterprise, both for backups and legal compliance. Magnetic tape for offsite backups is already at 50TB uncompressed and might even be higher at this point
I admit I do use spinners for cold storage.. but then I read this and now I'm wondering...
[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/twenty-percent-of-hard-drives-used-for-long-term-music-storage-in-the-90s-have-failed#:~:text=Hard%20drives%20from%20the%20last%2020%20years%20are%20now%20slowly%20dying.&text=About%20a%20fifth%20of%20the,data%20backup%2C%20and%20data%20recovery.[/URL]
These monsters aren't designed with home use in mind, they are aimed at enterprise / datacenter / cloud. For SANs, density is king. And they all throw a ton of SSD at the top of the stack for cache. Eventually the tech will trickle down to consumer level if there is any demand for it. But really, who needs these for home? I have a 18tb mini array in my home "server" and I have a TON of stuff and it's not half full. OTOH if streaming wasn't a thing and we were still throwing physical media around all the time, there could be an argument for ripping and home streaming.
yep.
LTO9 is 19tb uncompressed and 45tb compresses. IBM has a drive that will do around 50 / 150. Tape is still very much a thing for archival.
Tape honestly is the safest immutable backup solution out there.
SSD/NAND storage suffers from data corruption if left too long. Without NAND maintenance running you run the risk of your data just... going corrupt. So no power storage isn't a thing for them. Maintaining petabytes of cold storage on nand is a no go. HDD's a little better. Tape even better but even it after 10+ years becomes questionable.
High density, high capacity, low usage storage. If you're going to keep a metric ton of data, that's still accessible, for years there's no better way.
At least we replace our spinners every 4-5 years. It's low cost and justifiable, relative to everything else.
I got a pair of 12TB drives that are both over 95% capacity and I've limited my use on them recently until I get more storage.
Well I've been only using HDDs as cold storage since 2011, but so far haven't had any failures outside of the drives that already failed while filling.
Still every HDD has a backup copy.